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Post by Angry Pagan on Mar 8, 2006 12:00:42 GMT
Iv had enough of the bitch craft that is invading the pagan community. No wonder i prefer to walk the path alone.I'm sick of hearing whose better than who and then there are the power hungry individuals, who will crave any attention they can get.I go on a few sites and i cant understand the anger that is currently going on. What the hell is wrong with them?And they want people of all faiths to take them seriously, come on, those that follow your path are not taking you seriously.Iv had enough,I'm going to keep walking the path alone and let them destroy themselves.
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Post by wolfmoon on Mar 8, 2006 15:15:50 GMT
There has been bitchcraft and politics in paganism since day one. Its a shame but its what happens when you get so many conflicting ideas together in what is still a practiced spiritual path that the Church has painted a bad image of. There are some that want to keep there power or will do anything to attain it. There is always hope but it may be better for individual paths to stand alone and work things out with there own people. True paganism for me isn't in the public eye but in those moments when you are alone with the Goddesses walking with nature or in deep meditation.
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Post by watershield on Mar 8, 2006 15:57:16 GMT
In my view, it's human nature to look for something to argue about. It goes back to our caveman days and a survival instinct.
As to religion, why draw the line at Paganism. Look at Islam. Shiite, Sunni, Asmilie. Christianity; Catholic, Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox Catholic. Protestants; Lutheran, Anglican, United, Presbitarian......
Within every know belief structure, there are dividing factions or sects. Some co exist well, but most have fundamental differences that continue to be points of irritation.
The challenge before us is to ignore those Petty differences and find our similarities. What's the saying...As you judge so shall you be judged.
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Post by Verminda Spirit on Mar 8, 2006 16:04:19 GMT
I agree with both Fenrir and Watershield, that we as humans seem to fight amoung ourselves no matter what path we walk....I agree, there seems to be a lot of unrest within the pagan community at the moment, let them get on with it, i do...
Dont let it get you down, they will be their own down fall, keep doing what you are doing and maybe take a break from the pagan sites for a while......
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Post by Ebony on Mar 8, 2006 19:58:08 GMT
I've not been on too many Pagan boards but I have seen some of the bitching going on. I understand where your frustration and anger is coming from.
As stated, it is human nature to fight. We learn it early as we fight with our siblings and parents. This continues in school, and on into adult life. Some individuals just seem to have the desire to fight more than others do.
I don't see the point in fighting, but I'm a passive and empathetic so, 1) don't want to fight, and, 2) when I'm around people who are fighting, I don't like how they make feel so don't want to bring that feeling down on myself.
Like you, it really bothers me that people can behave the way they do. Sometimes it's hard to do, but it is better to just walk away and not play the game.
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Post by dezzhoudini on Mar 10, 2006 6:21:47 GMT
True paganism for me isn't in the public eye but in those moments when you are alone with the Goddesses walking with nature or in deep meditation. that little statement is bigger than you can ever know, public eye is one thing but a personal level cant be judged.
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Post by dezzhoudini on Mar 10, 2006 6:25:27 GMT
as for angry pagan, dont let those individuals get to you, i was one once and it only took one person to tell me to open my eyes and i changed, why go alone when you can go with friends?
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Post by wolfmoon on Mar 10, 2006 9:07:06 GMT
Hi public paganism encompasses so many different paths all under one banner its hard to get people together to agree on anything. There is hope though. I think because pagan beliefs have been so suppressed its hard to find material outside your local bookstore. Those that have information or knowledge handed down may not share as freely as others would like but will pass it on. Some will cling on to what they have and others will do what they can to attain this information. I'm hoping that the pagan community will gain more recognition with local and central governments and will then form more of a Cochise body that can bring people together and also train them in many ways. I'm a member of the Coven Of The Spiral Seax which in turn is the center of the Confederation of Seax Wica covens worldwide, we have training courses, sites, covens, solitaries and group meetings. We even are starting up a workshop for those requiring robes, staff and wands etc. We are growing worldwide and I'm hoping will be able to liaise and work with other pagans groups and government. Hopefully we will help dispel myths of being satanists and the like and educate people who aren't pagan. We also wish to help those searching, both interested in Seax Wica and Lyblac and also to point in the right direction those wanting info on other pagan paths. Its a long slow process but with the help of many good pagan people it can be achieved. You can find more about us at www.seax.orgMay the blessings of Lord Woden and Lady Freya be with you. Fenrir
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Post by Verminda Spirit on Mar 10, 2006 10:16:42 GMT
I agree with Fenrir and his site is worth taking a look at ....However if you are more of a solitary witch or seeker you can also check out the site A Witch Alone at sacredways.proboards52.com/index.cgi
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Post by seleena on Mar 16, 2006 18:14:58 GMT
I think I agree with Watershield. It is born into us to fight. I still hate it though. I find it almost an oxymoron that a peaceful earth based religion would have infighting. One thing I have opened my eyes to by participating in different forums, is there will always be people who will use a religion to further their own goals. I have come to accept this and all I can do is be true to what I want my path to represent and not fall down that trap myself. I cannot control what others do, only what I do. I chose to walk a path of love and peace and inclusiveness. If others agree with me great, if not, I hope to learn from them and either strengthten my beliefs or modify them if they have something that matches what I want in my path, always growing spiritually.
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Post by aaron20 on Mar 17, 2006 7:05:38 GMT
I'm not a pagan. I respect those that are pagan and I see it as more my thing though as in its a personal journy. It's really your choice to gain knowledge and enlightenment but it's only how far and willing you are wanting to go. No one's making you or helping come up with ideas. which I see alot do in other groups. Like said about ..the hardcore Christian's and those types drive me nuts.
But, it's really in all walks of life. I'm into D/s. Been that way for a while now. If those don't know D/s is part of BDSM. We are prejudice against certain types mainly that being the S/switches. Those that are both Dom and sub. closest thing to sum it up is being Bi in gay and lesbian. Anyhow, point of the matter I know people that yes even use the bible as a way to spot there idiotic things about how this is what Every woman in America should do be a subbie to there hubby. That if you are a submissive male then well you'r worse then white trash. That I don't get nor understand. Truthfully I don't. I don't understand those that think that since there male or female they deserve everyone to kiss there butts. But, the main point though is that it's out there. I just ignore those types. I also try and ignor the right wing conservatives. Even though at times I want to strangle them..cause they don't know what there talking about when it comes to the alternative world. All they center on is the evil or the negative and cap it off as that is for everyone.
When you get into a lifestyle though even though it may just be a sexual based one as gay's and lesbian's and D/s and Swinging and Poly and lord the other's there still those that think there right and your wrong. That have the big heads. It is egotistical and it is stupidity. Alot of them I think and especially the religion one's need to learn some humility. That doesn't hurt anyone to at least come down from those big heads.
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Mouse
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hey its Broken angel i changed my name since i am on the healing time
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Post by Mouse on Mar 17, 2006 16:47:27 GMT
I am not on any path cause i can't do it alone just me lol need teachers but i know this in everything there is bitchenns and politices in dancing ther is in design in music in religions tehre is everything its just a fith of it but it is there it dose ruen things for other but we can not change human natural cause even though we deni it we all have it in us even me i can be a bitch i was today because somone made me take an astma attack i was a bitch i nearly kicked f**k out them but it is part of us some more tahn others just try avoid it and get on with what you want its easier said tahn done i know try everyone
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Post by aaron20 on Mar 17, 2006 18:42:34 GMT
I think it would be cool if somehow or someday we all stand up to those that are the more extreme or what not and just tell them to stick where the sun doesn't shine. That would be cool.
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leonora
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save water, drink beer instead!!!!!
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Post by leonora on Jun 1, 2006 15:16:40 GMT
i do!!!!
sorry but i have had it with the pagan community where i live, the majority of them are just lying, back stabbing, using bastards and i personally wouldn't even spit on them if they were on fire.
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Post by watershield on Jun 1, 2006 19:26:22 GMT
I understand what you are saying. I read the nonsense in the say box on that site, from the person in question. I was looking for the site you refer to as PN but counld not find it...?? I would like to read the post in question (trying to figure out just what the problem really is) Any how... if your looking for a new home, try this one; acovenofwitches.proboards58.com/index.cgiIt's the first site I found after being banned from a nasty place last November. A Witch Alone is also a good one.
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