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Post by gues7 on Oct 28, 2006 23:44:47 GMT
Do you think that you’re a good person? Good enough to go to heaven?
Do you think that God sees you as good enough to enter heaven?
If so, then answer these questions honestly and carefully:
1. Have you ever told a lie? Even if it was a little “white lie”.
2. Have you ever stolen anything? Regardless of the value of the item.
3. Have you ever used God’s name as a curse word or to express disgust?
4. Have you ever seen something that someone else had and thought, “I wish I had something like that. I wish I could afford the stuff they get.”
If you have done any of these things, then by your admissions, according to God’s standards, you are not good enough to go to heaven. And these are only 4 of the Ten Commandments, found in Exodus 20 in the old testament of the Bible!
So, if on Judgement Day, God judges you based on the 10 commandments, do you think you’re going to be found innocent or guilty?
Well, you say, “I’ve done more good things than bad in my life”. That doesn’t matter. If you were in a trial of court for commiting a crime, would the Judge let you off just because you had done many good things before the trial? No. He would still punish you for commiting the crime. That’s because the law would require you to pay a penalty for the crime.
By the same token, God’s law still requires that a penalty be paid. Good deeds can’t pay the debt.
However, what if during that trial, what if someone you didn’t even know came into the court room and took the punishment for you so that you could be set free from the penalty of the crime?
That’s what Jesus Christ did for you when he was crucified 2000 or so years ago for your sins and for your transgression of God’s law. He took the punishment for you so that you wouldn’t have to be punished for your sins. All you have to do is accept God’s forgiveness by accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior!
So, before you go to bed tonight, why not get right with God today? You might not have another chance. You don’t know when your time on Earth is going to be up. And if you die in your sins without accepting God’s mercy, you’ll have to face the Judgement of God, and with your sins still in the books, there will be no hope on that great and terrible day. But you don’t have to die in your sins, and God doesn’t want you to, either. He is not willing that any perish, but rather, he wants all to come to repentance. So, why not get right with God now while you still have a chance?
If you want to make a decision to accept Jesus Christ as the atonement for your sins, then sincerely pray this prayer:
“God, I admit that I am a sinner and that I have broken your law. I realize that I am lost without God and that I’m headed towards a terrible judgement. However, God, today I confess my sins to you and I want to be right with you. I know that I alone cannot pay the debt that I owe for my sins. I believe with all my heart that your son, Jesus Christ, died on the cross to pay my sin debt for me, and I ask today that Jesus Christ be the Lord and Savior of my life, and I turn from my sins. In Jesus’ name I pray. Amen.” If you just prayed that prayer, and sincerely meant it, then you are now adopted into the Family of God, on your way to the splendor of heaven. To start out your Christian life, I would suggest that you pray to God, read your bible every day, and get into a good Bible-teaching Church.
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Post by watershield on Oct 29, 2006 18:57:15 GMT
Interesting from the aspect that this is what YOU believe. Many on this site would tell you that they see things differently.
For instance, I do not believe in the Bible as it is the writtings of man telling stories, that have been told and retold, changed and altered over thousands of years.
I don't believe in Heaven or Hell and I don't believe that the God you discribe has any significance to anyone but you. I don't believe in a God nor do I believe that there is a Devil.
I believe that each person has a concept of the devine. While many people call that "devine" the same name, our perceptions of that devine will vary even if only slightly. I too have a concept of a devine force in this universe. However, I will bw the first to admit, the perception I held of the devine one year ago is very much diferent than the one I currently hold. I dare say, a year from now my perception may well have changed again.
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Post by watershield on Oct 30, 2006 10:01:47 GMT
I've been pondering this post by our guest.... Have YOU spoken with "God" and know what those standards are. Oh, we can refer to the 10 commandments...but those are told to us in a book written by man not God. Christians claim to worship a loving God. Why is it that belief is based on punishment and fear? Have you seen heaven? How do you know what it's like or if it exists? Because you read it in a book, again written by man. You continually refer to "getting right with God" Who says I'm wrong? Are you judging me? "Judge not least ye be judged!" Are you suggesting that I'm a sinner? "Let ye with out sin cast the first stone" My friend, I did the christian scene many years ago and found it wanting. Believing blindly in what is written in a book written by man, attempting to tell a story that was handed down by word of mouth over hundreds if not thousands of years. I heard a story some time back. A Pagan had died and was surprised to find himself standing before the pearly gates and Satan there to greet him. As they walked threw heaven, Satan pointed out the many wonders, his friends waiting to greet him, all of the animals and plants able to communicate with him. Suddenly the skies darkened, the earth ripped open to reveal the pits of Hell. As Fire and brimstone belched from the depths the sky opened and bodies rained down falling into the fires below. The Pagan was shocked and somewhat taken aback. Satan looked at him reassuringly and said, don't worry...that's just the Christians, they won't have it any other way! My friend, this site is available to any one who has a need to be heard and to seek advise. People just talking to people. Our members are Christians, Pagans, Jews, followers of Islam and Buddha. By all means, express an opinion but identify it as such. I respect your belief and I require that you respect mine. To preach from a base of an absolute is to be arrogant. And as we all know arrogance is one of the seven deadly sins. Don't tell me that I need to accept jesus and don't tell me that I need to go to a bible teaching church. I find that suggestion offensive, just as a Jew or a Muslim would find it so. One question. When you sit and read your bible, someplace around the front, it's most likely going to say "King James Version" Dosn't that make you wonder, how many versions have there been, what has changed and why? No. Don't preach to me from your bible. Grimms fairy tales has had fewer revisions. video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2607509120382530850
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Post by Ebony on Nov 1, 2006 8:29:41 GMT
Hi gues7. Watershield is correct - there are many cultures and "religions" represented on this website. We respect and accept each others paths.
Technically this website is not expressly designed for religious expression - the design is for those who need to vent anger, ask for help, and remain anonymous while doing so.
I have always had a hard time believing in a god that preaches unconditional love, but who will deny you heaven if you don't do things exactly his way. Thaqt's like telling a child you won't hurt him, then slapping him across the face.
Answer me this gues7 --- have YOU ever broken a commandment?
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Post by watershield on Nov 7, 2006 17:06:11 GMT
Well, we had the site wide open for about two weeks. But we got spammed so bad from a bunch of Asian music , video & porn sites I had to close it back to what you now see.
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Post by varg on Nov 29, 2006 23:49:56 GMT
Well said Watershield.
Dear gues 7 a wise man once stated pick the plank of wood out of your own eye rather than the speck of dust in your brothers.
Come on its the Da vinci code it got to you didn't it, can't accept that Jesus was probably married, like all Jewish men were at his age back then....then the church hid it and made into God himself and have controlled everything ever since.
All religions that walk towards the light are worthy and equal. None are superior.
Judge not lest ye be judged yourself
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Post by brandra on Dec 2, 2006 12:27:28 GMT
Gues7 I am happy for you that you are so strong in your beliefs, it must bring you such joy, for myself I am closer to Watersheild in my view, my knowledge and understanding is constantly changing and growing and that brings me as much joy as your beliefs do to you. My quest in life has been to understand all that I can about the nature of the universe which by definition is would cover god. I debate what I have learned with others of like mind in friendly and open discussion that to brings me much joy. I abandoned Christianity in my mid teens for many reasons the main one being that from my view point your god as depicted in the bible shows very little of a loving nature but more of a jealous vengeful nature who would destroy the whole population of a city because they didn't follow his ways and many more incidences in the Bible, hay but that is just my view, I wont insult your beliefs by going on because I believe most of the bible stories are myth and these events if they took place at all were nothing to do with god. Gues7 be happy on your path as I am on mine inevitably we will know the truth whatever it may be and I suspect that none of us are even close.
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Post by varg on Dec 22, 2006 18:27:28 GMT
I think when you have a perfect moment the best thing to do is cherish it, don't keep searching for another, if its meant to happen it will. Be thankful of your perfect moment there are many who will never experience a fraction of what you have. Use what you have wisely and you will be enriched in many ways, by enriching others you come into contact with my old friend Brandra
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Post by gues7 on Apr 21, 2007 2:40:43 GMT
"have YOU ever broken a commandment?"
Yes, I have sinned before. I don't claim to be sinless, as if I did, then I would be deceiving myself and the Truth wouldn't be in me. I still sin at times. But the difference between a Christian(someone who has repented of their sins and trusted Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord) and a Sinner is not that the Christian is sinless, but rather while the Sinner goes on sinning, drinking it down like water(Job 15:16), the Christian, when he sins and realizes it, He will repent of it and ask God to forgive Him of that sin and to help him not do it anymore.
Here's some scientific facts in the Bible:
# Jeremiah 33:22 (written 2500 years ago): "As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured."
The Bible claimed that there are billions of stars ("host of heaven" is the biblical term for the stars). When it made this statement, no one knew how vast the numbers of stars were as only about 1,100 were observable. Now we know that there are billions of stars, and that they cannot be numbered.
# Job 26:7 (written 3500 years ago): "He stretches out the north over the empty place, and hangs the earth upon nothing."
The Bible claimed that the earth freely floated in space. Science then thought that the earth sat on a large animal. We now know that the earth has a free float in space.
# Hebrews 11:3 (written 2000 years ago): "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."
The Bible claims that all creation is made of invisible material. Science then was ignorant of the subject. We now know that the entire creation is made of invisible elements called "atoms."
# Leviticus 17:11 (written 3000 years ago): "For the life of the flesh is in the blood."
The Scriptures declare that blood is the source of life. Up until 120 years ago, sick people were "bled", and many died because of the practice. We now know that blood is the source of life. If you lose your blood, you will lose your life.
# Leviticus 15:13 (written 3000 years ago): "And when he that has an issue is cleansed of his issue; then he shall number to himself seven days for his cleansing, and wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in running water, and shall be clean."
The Bible said that when dealing with disease, hands should be washed under running water. Up until 100 years ago doctors washed their hands in a basin of still water, resulting in the death of multitudes. We now know that doctors must wash their hands under running water. The Encyclopedia Britannica documents that in 1845, a young doctor in Vienna named Dr. Ignaz Semmelweis was horrified at the terrible death rate of women who were dying after giving birth in hospitals. As many as 30% of those giving birth died. The Doctor noted that doctors would examine the bodies of those who had died, then, without washing their hands, go straight to the next wards and examine expectant mothers. This was their normal practice, because the presence of microscopic diseases was unknown. Doctor Semmelweis insisted that doctors wash their hands before examinations, and the death rate immediately dropped down to 2%.
# Job 38:35 (written 3,500 years ago. God Himself speaking): "Can you send lightnings, that they may go and say unto you, Here we are?"
The Bible here is saying a scientifically ludicrous statement -- that light can be sent, and then manifest itself in speech. But did you know that radio waves move at the speed of light? This is why you can have instantaneous wireless communication with someone on the other side of the earth. Science didn' t discover this until 1864 when "the British scientist James Clerk Maxwell suggested that electricity and light waves were two forms of the same thing" (Modern Century Illustrated Encyclopedia, Vol. 12).
# Isaiah 40:22 (written 2800 years ago): "It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth."
The Bible informs us here that the earth is round. At a time when science believed that the earth was flat, it was the Scriptures that inspired Christopher Columbus to sail around the world. He wrote: "It was the Lord who put it into my mind. I could feel His hand upon me . . . there is no question the inspiration was from the Holy Spirit because He comforted me with rays of marvelous illumination from the Holy Scriptures . . ." (From his diary, in reference to his discovery of "the New World").
# Job 38:19 (written 3500 years ago). "Where is the way where light dwells?"
Modern man has only just discovered that light (electromagnetic radiation) has a "way," involving motion traveling at 186,000 miles per second.
# Genesis 1:1,3 (written 3,450 years ago): "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth . . . And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
Science expresses the universe in five terms: time, space, matter, power and motion. "In the beginning (time) God created (power) the Heaven (space) and the earth (matter) . . . And the Spirit of God moved (motion) upon the face of the waters."
# Why did the dinosaur disappear? This is something that has modern science mystified, but the Bible may have the answer (written 3500 years ago. God Himself is speaking):
"Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eats grass as an ox. Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. He moves his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him. Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play. He lies under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens. The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about. Behold, he drinks up a river, and hastens not: he trusts that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. He takes it with his eyes: his nose pierces through snares. (Job 40:15-24).
This was the Largest of all creatures He made. It was plant-eating (herbivorous). It had its strength in its hips. Its tail was like a large tree (a cedar). It had very strong bones. Its habitat was among the trees. Drank massive amounts of water. His nose pierced through snares. Then Scripture says, " . . . He that made him can make his sword approach to him." In other words, God caused this, the largest of all the creatures He had made, to become extinct.
# Psalm 8:8: "And the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passes through the paths of the seas."
What does the Bible mean by "paths" of the seas? The sea is just a huge mass of water, how then could it have "paths?" Man discovered the existence of ocean currents in the 1850's, but the Bible declared the science of oceanography 2,800 years ago. Matthew Maury (1806- 1873) is considered to be the father of oceanography. He was bedridden during a serious illness and asked his son to read a portion of the Bible to him. While listening, he noticed the expression "paths of the sea." Upon his recovery, Maury took God at His word and went looking for these paths. His book on oceanography is still considered a basic text on the subject and is still used in universities.
# Jonah 2:6 (written 2,800 years ago): "I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet have you brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God."
When Jonah was in the depths of the ocean, he spoke of going down to the "bottoms of the mountains." Only in recent years has man discovered that there are mountains on the ocean floor. The greatest ocean depth has been sounded in the Challenger Deep of the Mariana's Trench, a distance of 35,798 feet below sea level. Mount Everest is 29,035 feet high.
# Amos 9:6 (written 2,800 years ago): "He . . . calls for the waters of the sea, and pours them out upon the face of the earth; the Lord is His name."
The Mississippi River dumps over six million gallons of water per second into the Gulf of Mexico. Where does all that water go? That's just one of thousands of rivers. The answer lies in the hydrologic cycle, something that was not fully accepted until the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, 2500 years after the Bible said that God takes the waters of the sea, and pours them upon the face of the earth.
# Job 38:12, 14, (written 3500 years ago) God Himself says: "Have you commanded the morning since your days; and caused the dayspring to know his place; that it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? It [the earth] is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment."
Modern science has come to understand that the earth's rotation on its axis is responsible for the sun's rising and setting. The picture here is of a vessel of clay being turned or rotated upon the potter's wheel -- an accurate analogy of the earth's rotation.
# Psalm 19:4-6: "In them has He set a tabernacle for the sun, which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoices as a strong man to run a race. His [the sun's] going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof."
Bible critics have scoffed at these verses, saying that they teach that the sun revolves around the earth. Science told them that the sun was stationary. Then they discovered that the sun is in fact moving through space at approximately 600,000 miles per hour. It is traveling through the heavens and has a "circuit" just as the Bible says. It is estimated that its circuit is so large, it would take 200 million years to complete one orbit.
# Job 38:22 (written 3,500 years ago). God says: "Have you entered into the treasures of the snow?"
It wasn't until the advent of the microscope that man discovered that each and every single snowflake is uniquely a symmetrical "treasure."
# Genesis 2:1 (after creation): "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them."
The Hebrew word used here is the past definite tense for the verb "finished," indicating an action completed in the past, never again to occur. The creation was "finished" -- once and for all. That is what the First Law of Thermodynamics says. It states that neither matter nor energy can be either created or destroyed. There is no "creation" ongoing today. It is "finished" exactly as the Bible states.
# Hebrews 1:10,11 (written 2000 years ago): ". . . And, You, Lord, in the beginning have laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of your hands: They shall perish; but you remain; and they all shall wax old as does a garment." The Bible tells us that the earth is wearing out. This is what the Second Law of Thermodynamics states. This wasn't discovered by science until comparatively recently.
# Genesis 17:12: "And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed."
Why was circumcision to be carried out on the eighth day? Medical science has discovered that the eighth day is the only day in the entire life of the newborn that the blood clotting element prothrombin is above 100%.
# Genesis 3:15: "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; it shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel."
This verse reveals that a female possesses the "seed of life." This was not the common knowledge until a few centuries ago. It was widely believed that the male only possessed the "seed of life" and that the woman was nothing more than a glorified incubator.
# Isaiah 40:12 (written 2,800 years ago): "Who has measured the waters in the hollow of His hand . . ."
We are told that God has measured the waters and set a proper amount of water on the earth. Modern science has proved that the quantity of water on earth is just enough for our needs. If the sea became three meters deeper, the water would absorb all the carbon dioxide and nitrogen, and no creature could live any longer.
Job 26:7 (written 3500 years ago): "He stretches out the north over the empty place . . ."
Less than 200 years ago, through the advent of massive telescopes, science learned about the great empty space in the north.
# Isaiah 40:22 (written 2,800 years ago): "It is He that . . . stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in."
Scientists are beginning to understand that the universe is expanding, or stretching out. At least seven times in Scripture we are clearly told that God stretches out the heavens like a curtain.
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Post by watershield on May 5, 2007 5:58:56 GMT
Your scientific evedence is at best a stretch of the imagination. How in the hell do you get Billions from the word host? If you think that any one here is that gullible,.....
Look lets cut to the chase..... Put your Bible down and tell us of your personal face to face encounter with your god. You....have met your god.....haven't you?
Ah, Ah, Ah....your reaching for that book again.... Come on....give me an original thought. You know....use your brain. Think for yourself. Stop spouting the stuff you hear on TV.
Can't do it can you. You have never met a god let alone your god. You've never seen heven or hell.
Listen. While many on this site call themselves Pagan, that does not mean they worship some devil. If you didn't know it before, generally, Pagans don't believe in a devil. Heven, hell, devil, christ. These are Christian concepts and do not apply to all faiths. Pagans by nature do not believe in the god of Abraham. We have a number of members I know are Christians, Muslim and I believe Hindue. And believe it or not, Hindues & Buddhists are pagans too.
Your attempting to preach on this site is actually offensive and Un christian
This site was established to provide a place where people could share a secret to unberden themselves, with out giving away their identity. They could ask a friend for advise. While we are not perfect, we try to stay away from preaching and provide our advise only from the life lessons we all have experienced.
If you want to debate your faith from your experience (not from some book) let me know. I'll give you a web site set up just for that purposs. But if you come back here with another one of these long posts filled with biblical quoats......I'll just delete it.
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Post by aprildawn on May 12, 2007 1:01:17 GMT
I thought that your god Loves all unconditionally and because of free will we do not have to believe in him. At least that is what I was told.
I don't think it is right for you to come hear and say that out beliefs are wrong when none of us have ever done that to you! I once read that whatever path you happen to be on is the right path for you and may not be so for others. So I think you should keep your bible and use it for you and interpret it the way you want to... but keep it to yourself or at least within your church!
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